Rachel Smith [00038] Details

Rachel Smith [A4057]
b.1757 Aft. - Va
d.1858 19 May - Tn
----- Parents -----
Ericus Smith, Sr
Brigitta "Bridget" Anderson/Andersdatter
----- Siblings -----
Mary "Polly" Smith [A5]
Ale "Aly" Smith
Rachel Smith [A4057]
Ericus Smith, Jr
Andrew Smith
----- Marriages -----
m01. 1779 28 Oct - Washington [Russell] Co, Va + Joseph Hatfield (7 Children)
----- Children -----
Jeremiah Hatfield [A4058]
John Hatfield [A4299]
Nancy Hatfield [A4539]
Joseph Hatfield, Jr [A4584]
Rachel Phariba "Phoebe" Hatfield [A4591]
William "Bill" Hatfield [A4622]
Sarah Hatfield [A4636]

PROOF OF MARRIAGE:  VA; Russell Co; Deed Bk. 2; p.328, 329
  
     Series of deeds made in Aug of 1797 in which parties to the
land of Ericus Smith, decd, sell portions to one another.  These
sworn in court and signed in several places by Joseph & Rachel
Hatfield (along with Ericus and Rosanna Smith, Ephraim and Mary
Hatfield, Eli and Jane Smith, and Andrew and Rachel Smith). By the
laws of Virginia (passed in the state constitution of 1792) only the
legitimate heirs of the body of an intestate have a right to his
land; this, therefore, is legal proof that Rachel Hatfield was a
daughter to Ericus Smith.
  
AGE:  Do these people have a clue how old they are? Records of
Rachel's age:
     1830 Census                     Age 70-80              b. 1750-60
        Campbell Co, TN
        p. 236 of census
  
     [NOTE: Rachel is "missing in action" on the 1840 Census]
  
     21 Oct 1843                     Age 80                 b. ca 1763
        Campbell Co, TN
         Deposition for pension of husband Joseph Hatfield
  
      11 Nov 1843                     Age 84                 b. ca 1759
         Campbell Co, TN
         Deposition in support of pension for widow of brother, Aly Smith
         Pension file R9751, under "Eli Smith"
         [only three weeks after previous depositon, yet she is 4 years 
older]
  
      1850 Census                     Age 90                 b. ca 1760
         Scott Co, TN
         p. 727, household of Isaac Reed
  
      24 Nov 1851                     Age 96                 b. ca 1755
         Scott Co, TN        Deposition for increase of pension of her 
husband
  
      (Also note that after her death, her descendants report--)
      Death in May 1858               Age 110                b. 1748
  
      [If she doesn't know how old she is, then how can we believe in her 
date
      of marriage?]
  
      Looking at the known ages of the children of Ericus Smith/Bridget
      Anderson, it is apparent that Rachel could not have been born before
      1758. If she were older, then she would show on the records of Holy
      Trinity Church, for dau. Mary was born and christened in 1754 and 
son
      John was christened and died late in 1757. Given that even if 
Bridget
      became pregnant immediately (unlikely, normal interval between 
births is
      about 2 years), then Rachel could not have been born before 1758, 
with
      1759 being more likely. Suspect that she is older than brother Ali, 
for
      the majority of her reported ages are in the 1750's, while his 
earliest
      proven birth would be 1761 (he sold land to Joseph Hatfield in 1782 
and
      would have to be 21 to do so). Also suspect that since Rachel does 
not
      show on records of Holy Trinity, that Ericus & Bridget moved prior 
to
      her birth.
  
 LOCATION IN 1840:  Finding Rachel Smith Hatfield on the 1840 Census is 
likely
 to identify another daughter, for no household headed by a Hatfield male 
in
 Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, or Indiana in that year seems to
 enumerate her.
  
      Beginning with the assumption that she stayed in the Campbell
 County, TN, area (prior to looking in other likely locations), check
 the following families of the 1840 Campbell County census who show a
 suitably older woman for familiar naming and migration patterns:
    REMEMBER THAT RACHEL SHOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 80 YEARS OLD
 *  John Shoopman Sr. p. 296   he 60-70, older woman 80-90
 *  Henry Duncan      p. 296   he & wf. 60-70, older woman 80-90
 *  David Shoopman    p. 297   he & wf. 30-ish, older woman 70-80
    Reason Right      p. 298   he & wf. 50-ish, older woman 70-80
 *  George Snodderly  p. 298   he 50-60, no wf., older woman 70-80
 *  Robert Longmire   p. 299   he & wf. 30-ish, older woman 80-90
 *  James Reed        p. 300   he & wf. 20-30, older woman 80-90
 *  Thomas Baker      p. 300   he & wf. 40-50, older woman 80-90
    Isham Goin        p. 305   he & wf. 50-60, older woman 70-80
 *  Geo. McCauly      p. 311   he & wf. 30-40, older woman 80-90
    William Phillips  p. 312   he 70-80, "wf" 60-70, older woman 90-100
    Richard Adkins    p. 315   he 60-70, "wf" 50-60, older woman 90-100
    Jeremiah Duncan   p. 315   he 60-70, "wf" 50-60, older woman 90-100
    Archibald Angel   p. 318   he 50-60, "wf" 40-50, older woman 90-100
 *  Elias Miller      p. 320   he 20-30, "wf" same, older women 70-80 & 
80-90
    Reason Right      p. 320   he & wf. 50-ish, older woman 70-80


	Rachel Smith [A4057] b.1757 Aft. - Va d.1858 19 May - Tn ----- Parents ----- Ericus Smith, Sr Brigitta "Bridget" Anderson/Andersdatter ----- Siblings ----- Mary "Polly" Smith [A5] Ale "Aly" Smith Rachel Smith [A4057] Ericus Smith, Jr Andrew Smith ----- Marriages ----- m01. 1779 28 Oct - Washington [Russell] Co, Va + Joseph Hatfield (7 Children) ----- Children ----- Jeremiah Hatfield [A4058] John Hatfield [A4299] Nancy Hatfield [A4539] Joseph Hatfield, Jr [A4584] Rachel Phariba "Phoebe" Hatfield [A4591] William "Bill" Hatfield [A4622] Sarah Hatfield [A4636] PROOF OF MARRIAGE: VA; Russell Co; Deed Bk. 2; p.328, 329 Series of deeds made in Aug of 1797 in which parties to the land of Ericus Smith, decd, sell portions to one another. These sworn in court and signed in several places by Joseph & Rachel Hatfield (along with Ericus and Rosanna Smith, Ephraim and Mary Hatfield, Eli and Jane Smith, and Andrew and Rachel Smith). By the laws of Virginia (passed in the state constitution of 1792) only the legitimate heirs of the body of an intestate have a right to his land; this, therefore, is legal proof that Rachel Hatfield was a daughter to Ericus Smith. AGE: Do these people have a clue how old they are? Records of Rachel's age: 1830 Census Age 70-80 b. 1750-60 Campbell Co, TN p. 236 of census [NOTE: Rachel is "missing in action" on the 1840 Census] 21 Oct 1843 Age 80 b. ca 1763 Campbell Co, TN Deposition for pension of husband Joseph Hatfield 11 Nov 1843 Age 84 b. ca 1759 Campbell Co, TN Deposition in support of pension for widow of brother, Aly Smith Pension file R9751, under "Eli Smith" [only three weeks after previous depositon, yet she is 4 years older] 1850 Census Age 90 b. ca 1760 Scott Co, TN p. 727, household of Isaac Reed 24 Nov 1851 Age 96 b. ca 1755 Scott Co, TN Deposition for increase of pension of her husband (Also note that after her death, her descendants report--) Death in May 1858 Age 110 b. 1748 [If she doesn't know how old she is, then how can we believe in her date of marriage?] Looking at the known ages of the children of Ericus Smith/Bridget Anderson, it is apparent that Rachel could not have been born before 1758. If she were older, then she would show on the records of Holy Trinity Church, for dau. Mary was born and christened in 1754 and son John was christened and died late in 1757. Given that even if Bridget became pregnant immediately (unlikely, normal interval between births is about 2 years), then Rachel could not have been born before 1758, with 1759 being more likely. Suspect that she is older than brother Ali, for the majority of her reported ages are in the 1750's, while his earliest proven birth would be 1761 (he sold land to Joseph Hatfield in 1782 and would have to be 21 to do so). Also suspect that since Rachel does not show on records of Holy Trinity, that Ericus & Bridget moved prior to her birth. LOCATION IN 1840: Finding Rachel Smith Hatfield on the 1840 Census is likely to identify another daughter, for no household headed by a Hatfield male in Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, or Indiana in that year seems to enumerate her. Beginning with the assumption that she stayed in the Campbell County, TN, area (prior to looking in other likely locations), check the following families of the 1840 Campbell County census who show a suitably older woman for familiar naming and migration patterns: REMEMBER THAT RACHEL SHOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 80 YEARS OLD * John Shoopman Sr. p. 296 he 60-70, older woman 80-90 * Henry Duncan p. 296 he & wf. 60-70, older woman 80-90 * David Shoopman p. 297 he & wf. 30-ish, older woman 70-80 Reason Right p. 298 he & wf. 50-ish, older woman 70-80 * George Snodderly p. 298 he 50-60, no wf., older woman 70-80 * Robert Longmire p. 299 he & wf. 30-ish, older woman 80-90 * James Reed p. 300 he & wf. 20-30, older woman 80-90 * Thomas Baker p. 300 he & wf. 40-50, older woman 80-90 Isham Goin p. 305 he & wf. 50-60, older woman 70-80 * Geo. McCauly p. 311 he & wf. 30-40, older woman 80-90 William Phillips p. 312 he 70-80, "wf" 60-70, older woman 90-100 Richard Adkins p. 315 he 60-70, "wf" 50-60, older woman 90-100 Jeremiah Duncan p. 315 he 60-70, "wf" 50-60, older woman 90-100 Archibald Angel p. 318 he 50-60, "wf" 40-50, older woman 90-100 * Elias Miller p. 320 he 20-30, "wf" same, older women 70-80 & 80-90 Reason Right p. 320 he & wf. 50-ish, older woman 70-80