Thomas Hatfield [00530] Details

Thomas Hatfield [B1]
b.1600 ca - Yorkshire, England
d. - 
----- Marriages -----
m01. 1621 01 May - Leiden, Holland + Anna Hentem/Hamden/Hampton (2 Children)
----- Children -----
Thomas Hatfield [B3]
Matthias Hatfield [B64]

He moved from England to Leyden, Holland, with Dr. John Robinson and his 
congregation seeking religeous freedom. On May 1, 1621, he married Anna 
(Hampton) Cox, a widow. Two of their sons were then living in America ca 
1665.  Thomas, Jr., and Matthias, 1640-1687.
- from Page 90 of book entitled "Lincoln County West Virginia and Its 
People", published by the Lincoln County Genealogical Society, 
Griffithsville, WV.  
  
From: EHarr76546@@cs.com
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Jerry, 
  
I attempted to send the following to your old address.  Sorry for the 
delay.  
Also sent to Elaine Powell.
****
Dear Jerry and Elaine,
  
I am descended from Thomas Hatfield and Anna Hamden of Leiden through 
their 
grandson, Pieter (bap. RDC of NA 1683).  My lineage from Pieter can be 
trace 
in the Abraham Hatfield book (ref. #1 below) down to David on p.65.  Two 
cousins and I have verified several of these steps but not all, though 
we're 
working on it.  I have connected David to Peter H. Hatfield by strong 
circumstantial evidence - no primary sources so far.  I sent my descent 
from 
Peter H. to Jerry Hatfield in 1997.
  
I recently visited your web pages and felt it was appropriate to pass 
along 
some Hatfield data I have encountered which you may or may not have 
found.  
Elaine's page says:
  
"The first identifiable ancestor of the American branch was Thomas 
Hatfield, 
born 4 MAR 1620 in Almondbury, Yorkshire, England. He was a religious 
dissenter and to escape persecution fled to Leyden, Holland, with the Dr. 
John Robinson (Robertson) congregation. He married Anne Hemptem or 
HAMPTON 
Cox, born 14 MAR 1612 in Englefield, Berkshire, England. She was the 
widow of 
Valentine Oocxs (Cox) and they were married in about 1635 . " 
  
I believe the dates given are incorrect because:   The Leyden Archives 
Bethrothalbook (ref. 2) records the banns for and marriage of Thomas 
Hadvelt 
(Hatfield) with Anna Hentem (Hamden), widow of Valentine Oocxs (Cox).  
The 
book contains photocopies of the original, handwritten, dated documents 
(with 
English translations) that might be considered primary records.  Banns 
were 
read on April 17, April 24, and May 1, 1621, and the marriage took place 
on 
May 1, 1621.  Thomas could not have been born in 1620, travelled to 
Holland, 
and married in 1621 (though I'm sure many of our Hatfield genes are 
precocial!).  Similarly, it is unlikely that Anna was born in 1612 and 
married in 1621.  
  
The Leiden Archives web site (ref. 3) provides more information (in Dutch 
& 
English) on the Hatfields in Leiden  If you play around a little, you can 
get 
to records that mention Thomas Hatfield in Dec. 1626 "ca. 30" and Dec. 
1632 
"ca. 36"; and "Anne Hamden, ca. 30, wife of Thomas Hatfield, Leyden" in 
Sep. 
1630.  The context strongly suggests that the numbers given are their 
ages at 
that time.  I'm not sure what the ca. means.  At first I thought it was 
circa 
but I'm no longer sure of that.  Anyway, if those numbers are ages, they 
would suggest that Thomas was born in 1596, though I wouldn't rule out 
1600, 
and that Anna was born 1599/1600.
  
If I understand correctly, the group of English dissenters who went to 
Holland around 1610, some of whom became the "Pilgrim Fathers", were from 
Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire and Yorkshire (ref. 4).  So our Thomas 
could 
have been born in Yorks. in 1600 (ref. 5).  However, there was a Thomas 
Hatfeeld baptized in Spridlington, Lincs. in 1597 (ref. 6).  Could he be 
ours??  And, there are others in the IGI, e.g.,  in 1588/89 bap. at 
Sheffield, Yorks. and in 1607 bap. at Coleby, Lincs.  
I'm not sure where the ORIGINAL information, that Thomas was born 1600 in 
Yorkshire and moved to Holland in 1610, came from.  Could it be 
speculation 
that has been passed around and assumed to be fact?  That happens all too 
often!  Do you know the original sources?  Unless he accompanied 
relatives or 
some other family, it would seem that one or both of his parents, if 
alive, 
went too, but I know of no one who claims that.  A Thomas born in 1589 
could 
have gone on his own.
  
An IGI search of the British Isles in that era for Anna 
Hampton/Hentem/etc. 
yields too many hits to speculate on her birth and origin.
  
I'm interested in your opinions of the data I have presented above.  Are 
my 
references convincing enough to lend some credence to my arguments?  Any 
counter arguments and suggestions you might have for pinning down our 
Thomas 
Hatfield would be welcomed.
  
I believe both of you are descended from Matthias Hatfield.  Have you 
read 
the article that Abraham Hatfield wrote after the publication of his book 
(ref. 7)?  In it he claims that Matthias was actually from Danzig and 
that 
his surname was most likely a German one such as Huttfeld, etc.  He 
claims to 
have found a Mathias Hutfelt in Danzig in 1620 indicating that the name 
Matthias was used in at least one German family with a name similar to 
Hatfield.  If what he says is true, Matthias was probably not the son of 
Thomas (md. 1621).
  
References:
  
1.  Abraham Hatfield, "The Hatfields of Westchester:  A Genealogy of the 
Descendants of Thomas Hatfield of New Amsterdam and Mamaroneck, Whose 
Sons 
Settled in White Plains, Westchester County, New York" (New York 
Genealogical 
and Biographical Society, 1935).
  
2.  "Leyden Documents relating to the Pilgrim Fathers.  Permission to 
reside 
at Leyden and betrothal records: together with parallel documents from 
the 
Amsterdam Archives."  Facsimile, transcript, translation and annotations 
by 
Dr. D. Plooij of Leyden and Dr. J. Rendel Harris of Manchester.  74 
photographic plates.  (Under the auspices of the Netherlands American 
Institute.  Leyden, E. J. Brill Ltd., 1920), XLV.
  
3.     
  
4.  William Elliot Griffis, "The Pilgrims in Their Three Homes:  England, 
Holland, America" (Houghton, Mifflin and Co., Boston and New York, The 
Riverside Press, Cambridge, 1898).
  
5.  IGI at .  Data citation:  LDS Temple records - 
no 
original source cited.  Parents:  none given.  (I'm always suspicious of 
IGI 
data.)
  
6.  IGI at familysearch.  Data citation:  transcribed Spridlington PRs 
and/or 
BTs.  Father:  John Hatfeeld.
  
7.  New York Genealogical and Biographical Society Record, Vol. 70:1,  p. 
17-18
  
I look forward to hearing your comments, rebuttals, opinions, etc. on the 
Leiden situation.
  
Sorry for being so long winded!
  
Ed Harrison
  
-----
  
Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Posted by: Alex Alan Lear Date: September 21, 
1999 at 10:44:34  
  
Bernard Hatfield was born circa 1563 in Sheffield, York and married
Katherine Woodhouse on 3 Nov 1588 at the Cathedral St. Peter in 
Sheffield. 
Their son, Thomas Hatfield, was born on 23 September 1589 in Sheffield. I
believe that he was the Thomas Hatfield who emigrated to Holland circa
1610, where he married Anne Hampton in 1621. Their son, Matthias Hatfield,
was born in the 1620s or 1630s; his future wife, Maria Melyn, was born in
1637, so I assume that Matthias was born closer to that date. The source
for a lot of the above information is www.familysearch.org. The following
is my line, as it stands at this time.
  
Bernard Hatfield (1563-?) = Katherine Woodhouse
Thomas Hatfield (1589-?) = Anne Hampton
Matthias Hatfield (ca 1633-1687?) = Maria Melyn
Abraham Hatfield (1670-1706) = Phoebe Ogden
Abraham Hatfield II (1695-1745) = Margaret Winans
Jacob Hatfield (1730-1774) = Mary Lyon
Abraham Marsh Hatfield (1767-1851) = Constantine Jones
Jacob Hatfield (1799-1884) = Margaret Kelley
Abram Marsh Hatfield (1829-1914) = Louisa Pinkney and Margaret Reid Short
Clifford Kaye Hatfield (1883-1971) = Olive Fleming Tolman
Olive Kaye Hatfield (1928-) = Raymond Grant Parsons
Cynthia Margaret Parsons (1950-) = Alan Arthur Lear
Alex Alan Lear (1978-) 
  
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Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Mark Hatfield 6/06/00 
Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Richard Brezet 2/04/00 
Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Alex Alan Lear 3/20/00 
Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Richard Brezet 2/04/00 
Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Patricia 11/11/99 
Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Ron Hatfield 11/03/99 
Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Marti 10/06/99 
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Re: Phebe Marsh?/Hatfield, New Jersey
Posted by: Harman Clark  Date: March 18, 2000 at 12:49:22
In Reply to: Phebe Marsh?/Hatfield, New Jersey by Cheryl Crowell      of 
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The wife of Abraham Hatfield (b. 1695) is given in NYGBR 68:134/224, as
Phoebe Ogden, not Phebe Marsh.
Here is what I show for Abraham's ancestry:
1. Abraham Hatfield Jr. b. 1695, Elizabethtown, NJ, m. 1716, in New 
Jersey,
Margaret Winans, b. 1699, Elizabethtown, NJ, d. Elizabethtown, NJ. Abraham
died Elizabethtown, NJ.
  
Parents
  
2. Abraham Hatfield Bp. 08 Jun 1670, Occ. Cordwainer; tanner, m. circa 
1695,
Phebe Ogden. Abraham died 17 Jul 1706. Descendants of Matthias Hatfield,
page 11. NYGBR 68:134/224.
  
3. Phebe Ogden. NYGBR 68:134/224.
  
Grand Parents
  
4. Matthias Hatfield b. 1640, Danzig, Prussia, Occ. Weaver and boatman., 
m.
25 Aug 1664, in New Haven, CT, Maria Mariken (Paradys) Melyn, b. Nieuwe
Kerk, Amsterdam. Matthias died Elizabeth, NJ, buried: St. Johns Church,
Elizabeth, NJ. There have been many statements as to the nationality of
Matthias Hatfield. Earlier accounts usually stated that he came from
England. It is now known from an entry in the private journal of Dr. John
Winthrop, Jr. (in the Massachusetts Historical Society) that he was a
German, from Danzig. Matthias Hatfield was in New Haven as early as 1 May
1660, when he took the Oath of Fidelity there. He moved to Elizabeth Town,
New Jersey, about 1665 or 1666, with a number of other residents of New
Haven, and was one of the Associates, or founders of Elizabeth Town. His
name appears on the oath of allegiance, but the exact date of taking the
oath is not known, the records merely stating that it was begun 19 
February
1665/6. He was a weaver and a boatman, a man of considerable means. His
will, dated 19 April 1684 and proved 13 December 1687, mentions "wife and
children" but does not name them. His widow was living in 1694, when her
name appears on the Parish List of the Independent Minister, but she
probably died before 1699.
NYGBR 68:135 (1939) : NYGBR 68:134/224 (1939). See also "The
Descendants of Matthias Hatfield" compiled by Abraham Hatfield, 1954. (In
Rutgers Un. Lib. second floor).
  
5. Maria Mariken (Paradys) Melyn b. Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam, Bp. 27 Mar 
1637,
m. (1) 18 Jun 1655, in New York, Claes Allertsen Paradys, d. Sep 1655,
Staten Island, NY, m. (2) 25 Aug 1664, in New Haven, CT, Matthias 
Hatfield,
b. 1640, Danzig, Prussia, Occ. Weaver and boatman., d. Elizabeth, NJ,
buried: St. Johns Church, Elizabeth, NJ. Descendants of Matthias Hatfield,
page 11. NYGBR 68:134/224. The order of birth of the children of Matthias
and Mary (Maria) Hatfield is taken from this record.
  
Great Grand Parents
  
8. Thomas Hatfield m. 01 May 1621, in Leyden, Holland, Ann Housten. Thomas
died England.
From: Edward J. Harrison  Date: Thursday,
November 12, 1998 4:45 PM
Thomas HATFIELD was born in England but migrated to Leyden, Holland
where he was married in 1621. Two of his sons moved to New Amsterdam
sometime prior to 1664. One son, Thomas Hatfield born about 1627 probably
in Leyden, was a soldier in the Dutch army. He married Alice EBEL in 1671
and settled in Westchester County NY. The other son, Matthias Hatfield 
born
1622-1630 in Leyden, married Maria MELYN at New Haven in 1664 and moved to
Elizabethtown NJ.
  
9. Ann Housten.
  
10. Cornelis MELYN b. 1600, Belgium, m. 22 Apr 1627, in Amsterdam, 
Holland,
Jannetje ADRYIAENS, b. circa 1604. Cornelis died 1674. Corneille Melyn,
son of Andre Melyn and Marie Ghuedinx-Botens, was baptized in the Church 
of
Saint Walburga, 17 September 1600. [Bapt. No. 83]. This child, who was
destined in his later years to become such a prominent man in the new 
world,
will through this sketch be referred to as Cornelis Melyn, that beingthe
accepted Flemish spelling of his given name, and the form in which he 
always
wrote it.
Cornelis Melyn was born in Antwerp, in the house called "The Sack"
where his parents then lived. This house was situated in the Rue du Sac
[Fl.ZakStraat] in or near the Bourg, or castle, of which a short 
description
will be given later. . . .In October, 1606, Cornelis lost his mother, 
Marie
Ghuedinx-Botens, and very soon thereafter on 9 November, 1606 he had the
further misfortune to lose his father. Thus at the age of six years, (his
age as given in the inventory of his father's estate) he found himself
bereaved of both father and mother.
In NYGBR 68:3-4, there is translation of his marriage certificate,
dated 22 April 1627, which refers to him as "aged 25 years". Burton
comments: "It will be noted that the age is given as "25 years", whereas 
on
the basis of his baptismal date of 17 September 1600, he was at least 26
years and 7 months old at the time of the issuance of this certificate. It
is quite probably tht, since 25 years was according the Dutch law the age 
at
which a man attained his full majority, the clerk was merely indicating 
that
Melyn was of legal age to marry without the consent of his guardians. That
Melyn knew his correct age is evident from a declaration signed by him 29
June 1644, in which he gives his age as 44 years."
See NYGBR Vols. 67 & 68 for Articles on this remarkable "Patroon of
Staten Island and Some of his Descendants".
Sources:
NYGBR 67:157/246; 68:3/132/217 (1936/7)
East Hampton History p. 535
The series of Articles in NYGBR are by Paul Gibson Burton and discuss
both the Ancestry and Descendants of Cornelis Melyn. These are reprinted 
in
a volume called THE WINANS FAMILY, Ancestors and Descendants of Clarence
Hatfield Winans 1854-1942 of Linden, New Jersey, by Melda B. Haynes 
Shippey,
Madison, N.J., Certified Genealogist, a copy of which may be found in
Special Collections, Rutgers University Library, New Brunswick, NJ CS 71
.W56 1990. That book contains excellent sections on the Hatfield as well 
as
Winans and Melyn families, and also has Bibliography to allied families.
  
11. Jannetje ADRYIAENS b. circa 1604. Her name has also been rendered
Jannetje (Jannetie) Van Myert, perhaps using her geographical location.
Their marriage certificate, translated and set forth in NYGBR 68:3, as
follows:
"Appeared as before Cornelis Melyn from Antwerp, aged 25 years, having
no parents, leather dresser, living in the Elant Street, assisted by 
Geraert
Lodewijsz [and] Jannetie Arienss from Myert, aged 23 years, having no
parents, living on the Lindegracht, assisted by Engel Thomas." -- after
certifications, it was signed Cornelis Melijn and Jannitken Adryiaens. It
was dated 22nd of April 1627.
  
Great Great Grand Parents
  
20. Andre MELYN b. Belgium, Occ. Carpenter - lumber dealer, m. (1) 29 Jul
1576, in Antwerp, Belgium, Jeanne van Westvoort, b. Belgium, d. ca Oct 
1596,
Belgium, m. (2) Nov 1597, in Belgium, Marie GHUEDINX-BOTENS, d. Oct 1606,
Belgium. Andre died 9 Nov 1606, Belgium. NYGBR 67:246 (1936) "The Antwerp
Ancestry of Cornelis Melyn", Paul G. Burton. First marries in Parish of
Saint Andrew, Antwerp, to Jeanne Van Westvoort, the daughter of Eustache 
van
Westvoort and Jeanne van Callen. His first wife being deceased a little
after October, 1596, probably in childbirth, Andre Melyn married his 
second
wife, Marie Ghuedinx Alias Botens. This marriage was celebrated in the
Parish of Saint Walburga in November, 1597. The exact date is not given in
the marriage entry.
  
21. Marie GHUEDINX-BOTENS d. Oct 1606, Belgium. NYGBR 67:246 (1936) "The
Antwerp Ancestry of Cornelis Melyn", Paul G. Burton. She is sometimes
referred to in the baptismal records as "Marie Ghuedinx" and at other time
as "Marie Botens" but both refer to the same person, whose name is 
"Ghuedinx
alias Botens."
  
3rd Great Grand Parents
  
40. Lambert MELYN. NYGBR 67:246 (1936) "The Antwerp Ancestry of Cornelis
Melyn", Paul G. Burton.
  
  
  
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	Thomas Hatfield [B1] b.1600 ca - Yorkshire, England d. - ----- Marriages ----- m01. 1621 01 May - Leiden, Holland + Anna Hentem/Hamden/Hampton (2 Children) ----- Children ----- Thomas Hatfield [B3] Matthias Hatfield [B64] He moved from England to Leyden, Holland, with Dr. John Robinson and his congregation seeking religeous freedom. On May 1, 1621, he married Anna (Hampton) Cox, a widow. Two of their sons were then living in America ca 1665. Thomas, Jr., and Matthias, 1640-1687. - from Page 90 of book entitled "Lincoln County West Virginia and Its People", published by the Lincoln County Genealogical Society, Griffithsville, WV. From: EHarr76546@@cs.com Message-ID: <0.c3c96daa.257d448d@@cs.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:55:41 EST Subject: Hatfield in Leiden To: hb@@ghat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 67 Jerry, I attempted to send the following to your old address. Sorry for the delay. Also sent to Elaine Powell. **** Dear Jerry and Elaine, I am descended from Thomas Hatfield and Anna Hamden of Leiden through their grandson, Pieter (bap. RDC of NA 1683). My lineage from Pieter can be trace in the Abraham Hatfield book (ref. #1 below) down to David on p.65. Two cousins and I have verified several of these steps but not all, though we're working on it. I have connected David to Peter H. Hatfield by strong circumstantial evidence - no primary sources so far. I sent my descent from Peter H. to Jerry Hatfield in 1997. I recently visited your web pages and felt it was appropriate to pass along some Hatfield data I have encountered which you may or may not have found. Elaine's page says: "The first identifiable ancestor of the American branch was Thomas Hatfield, born 4 MAR 1620 in Almondbury, Yorkshire, England. He was a religious dissenter and to escape persecution fled to Leyden, Holland, with the Dr. John Robinson (Robertson) congregation. He married Anne Hemptem or HAMPTON Cox, born 14 MAR 1612 in Englefield, Berkshire, England. She was the widow of Valentine Oocxs (Cox) and they were married in about 1635 . " I believe the dates given are incorrect because: The Leyden Archives Bethrothalbook (ref. 2) records the banns for and marriage of Thomas Hadvelt (Hatfield) with Anna Hentem (Hamden), widow of Valentine Oocxs (Cox). The book contains photocopies of the original, handwritten, dated documents (with English translations) that might be considered primary records. Banns were read on April 17, April 24, and May 1, 1621, and the marriage took place on May 1, 1621. Thomas could not have been born in 1620, travelled to Holland, and married in 1621 (though I'm sure many of our Hatfield genes are precocial!). Similarly, it is unlikely that Anna was born in 1612 and married in 1621. The Leiden Archives web site (ref. 3) provides more information (in Dutch & English) on the Hatfields in Leiden If you play around a little, you can get to records that mention Thomas Hatfield in Dec. 1626 "ca. 30" and Dec. 1632 "ca. 36"; and "Anne Hamden, ca. 30, wife of Thomas Hatfield, Leyden" in Sep. 1630. The context strongly suggests that the numbers given are their ages at that time. I'm not sure what the ca. means. At first I thought it was circa but I'm no longer sure of that. Anyway, if those numbers are ages, they would suggest that Thomas was born in 1596, though I wouldn't rule out 1600, and that Anna was born 1599/1600. If I understand correctly, the group of English dissenters who went to Holland around 1610, some of whom became the "Pilgrim Fathers", were from Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire and Yorkshire (ref. 4). So our Thomas could have been born in Yorks. in 1600 (ref. 5). However, there was a Thomas Hatfeeld baptized in Spridlington, Lincs. in 1597 (ref. 6). Could he be ours?? And, there are others in the IGI, e.g., in 1588/89 bap. at Sheffield, Yorks. and in 1607 bap. at Coleby, Lincs. I'm not sure where the ORIGINAL information, that Thomas was born 1600 in Yorkshire and moved to Holland in 1610, came from. Could it be speculation that has been passed around and assumed to be fact? That happens all too often! Do you know the original sources? Unless he accompanied relatives or some other family, it would seem that one or both of his parents, if alive, went too, but I know of no one who claims that. A Thomas born in 1589 could have gone on his own. An IGI search of the British Isles in that era for Anna Hampton/Hentem/etc. yields too many hits to speculate on her birth and origin. I'm interested in your opinions of the data I have presented above. Are my references convincing enough to lend some credence to my arguments? Any counter arguments and suggestions you might have for pinning down our Thomas Hatfield would be welcomed. I believe both of you are descended from Matthias Hatfield. Have you read the article that Abraham Hatfield wrote after the publication of his book (ref. 7)? In it he claims that Matthias was actually from Danzig and that his surname was most likely a German one such as Huttfeld, etc. He claims to have found a Mathias Hutfelt in Danzig in 1620 indicating that the name Matthias was used in at least one German family with a name similar to Hatfield. If what he says is true, Matthias was probably not the son of Thomas (md. 1621). References: 1. Abraham Hatfield, "The Hatfields of Westchester: A Genealogy of the Descendants of Thomas Hatfield of New Amsterdam and Mamaroneck, Whose Sons Settled in White Plains, Westchester County, New York" (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1935). 2. "Leyden Documents relating to the Pilgrim Fathers. Permission to reside at Leyden and betrothal records: together with parallel documents from the Amsterdam Archives." Facsimile, transcript, translation and annotations by Dr. D. Plooij of Leyden and Dr. J. Rendel Harris of Manchester. 74 photographic plates. (Under the auspices of the Netherlands American Institute. Leyden, E. J. Brill Ltd., 1920), XLV. 3. 4. William Elliot Griffis, "The Pilgrims in Their Three Homes: England, Holland, America" (Houghton, Mifflin and Co., Boston and New York, The Riverside Press, Cambridge, 1898). 5. IGI at . Data citation: LDS Temple records - no original source cited. Parents: none given. (I'm always suspicious of IGI data.) 6. IGI at familysearch. Data citation: transcribed Spridlington PRs and/or BTs. Father: John Hatfeeld. 7. New York Genealogical and Biographical Society Record, Vol. 70:1, p. 17-18 I look forward to hearing your comments, rebuttals, opinions, etc. on the Leiden situation. Sorry for being so long winded! Ed Harrison ----- Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Posted by: Alex Alan Lear Date: September 21, 1999 at 10:44:34 Bernard Hatfield was born circa 1563 in Sheffield, York and married Katherine Woodhouse on 3 Nov 1588 at the Cathedral St. Peter in Sheffield. Their son, Thomas Hatfield, was born on 23 September 1589 in Sheffield. I believe that he was the Thomas Hatfield who emigrated to Holland circa 1610, where he married Anne Hampton in 1621. Their son, Matthias Hatfield, was born in the 1620s or 1630s; his future wife, Maria Melyn, was born in 1637, so I assume that Matthias was born closer to that date. The source for a lot of the above information is www.familysearch.org. The following is my line, as it stands at this time. Bernard Hatfield (1563-?) = Katherine Woodhouse Thomas Hatfield (1589-?) = Anne Hampton Matthias Hatfield (ca 1633-1687?) = Maria Melyn Abraham Hatfield (1670-1706) = Phoebe Ogden Abraham Hatfield II (1695-1745) = Margaret Winans Jacob Hatfield (1730-1774) = Mary Lyon Abraham Marsh Hatfield (1767-1851) = Constantine Jones Jacob Hatfield (1799-1884) = Margaret Kelley Abram Marsh Hatfield (1829-1914) = Louisa Pinkney and Margaret Reid Short Clifford Kaye Hatfield (1883-1971) = Olive Fleming Tolman Olive Kaye Hatfield (1928-) = Raymond Grant Parsons Cynthia Margaret Parsons (1950-) = Alan Arthur Lear Alex Alan Lear (1978-) Followups: Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Mark Hatfield 6/06/00 Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Richard Brezet 2/04/00 Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Alex Alan Lear 3/20/00 Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Richard Brezet 2/04/00 Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Patricia 11/11/99 Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Ron Hatfield 11/03/99 Re: Hatfields ENG>HOL>NJ>NS>ME Marti 10/06/99 ---------------------------------------- Chat \| Daily Search \| My GenForum \| Community Standards \| Terms of Service Jump to Forum Home: Surnames: Marsh Family Genealogy Forum Post FollowupReturn to Message ListingsPrint Message Re: Phebe Marsh?/Hatfield, New Jersey Posted by: Harman Clark Date: March 18, 2000 at 12:49:22 In Reply to: Phebe Marsh?/Hatfield, New Jersey by Cheryl Crowell of 5955 The wife of Abraham Hatfield (b. 1695) is given in NYGBR 68:134/224, as Phoebe Ogden, not Phebe Marsh. Here is what I show for Abraham's ancestry: 1. Abraham Hatfield Jr. b. 1695, Elizabethtown, NJ, m. 1716, in New Jersey, Margaret Winans, b. 1699, Elizabethtown, NJ, d. Elizabethtown, NJ. Abraham died Elizabethtown, NJ. Parents 2. Abraham Hatfield Bp. 08 Jun 1670, Occ. Cordwainer; tanner, m. circa 1695, Phebe Ogden. Abraham died 17 Jul 1706. Descendants of Matthias Hatfield, page 11. NYGBR 68:134/224. 3. Phebe Ogden. NYGBR 68:134/224. Grand Parents 4. Matthias Hatfield b. 1640, Danzig, Prussia, Occ. Weaver and boatman., m. 25 Aug 1664, in New Haven, CT, Maria Mariken (Paradys) Melyn, b. Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam. Matthias died Elizabeth, NJ, buried: St. Johns Church, Elizabeth, NJ. There have been many statements as to the nationality of Matthias Hatfield. Earlier accounts usually stated that he came from England. It is now known from an entry in the private journal of Dr. John Winthrop, Jr. (in the Massachusetts Historical Society) that he was a German, from Danzig. Matthias Hatfield was in New Haven as early as 1 May 1660, when he took the Oath of Fidelity there. He moved to Elizabeth Town, New Jersey, about 1665 or 1666, with a number of other residents of New Haven, and was one of the Associates, or founders of Elizabeth Town. His name appears on the oath of allegiance, but the exact date of taking the oath is not known, the records merely stating that it was begun 19 February 1665/6. He was a weaver and a boatman, a man of considerable means. His will, dated 19 April 1684 and proved 13 December 1687, mentions "wife and children" but does not name them. His widow was living in 1694, when her name appears on the Parish List of the Independent Minister, but she probably died before 1699. NYGBR 68:135 (1939) : NYGBR 68:134/224 (1939). See also "The Descendants of Matthias Hatfield" compiled by Abraham Hatfield, 1954. (In Rutgers Un. Lib. second floor). 5. Maria Mariken (Paradys) Melyn b. Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam, Bp. 27 Mar 1637, m. (1) 18 Jun 1655, in New York, Claes Allertsen Paradys, d. Sep 1655, Staten Island, NY, m. (2) 25 Aug 1664, in New Haven, CT, Matthias Hatfield, b. 1640, Danzig, Prussia, Occ. Weaver and boatman., d. Elizabeth, NJ, buried: St. Johns Church, Elizabeth, NJ. Descendants of Matthias Hatfield, page 11. NYGBR 68:134/224. The order of birth of the children of Matthias and Mary (Maria) Hatfield is taken from this record. Great Grand Parents 8. Thomas Hatfield m. 01 May 1621, in Leyden, Holland, Ann Housten. Thomas died England. From: Edward J. Harrison Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 4:45 PM Thomas HATFIELD was born in England but migrated to Leyden, Holland where he was married in 1621. Two of his sons moved to New Amsterdam sometime prior to 1664. One son, Thomas Hatfield born about 1627 probably in Leyden, was a soldier in the Dutch army. He married Alice EBEL in 1671 and settled in Westchester County NY. The other son, Matthias Hatfield born 1622-1630 in Leyden, married Maria MELYN at New Haven in 1664 and moved to Elizabethtown NJ. 9. Ann Housten. 10. Cornelis MELYN b. 1600, Belgium, m. 22 Apr 1627, in Amsterdam, Holland, Jannetje ADRYIAENS, b. circa 1604. Cornelis died 1674. Corneille Melyn, son of Andre Melyn and Marie Ghuedinx-Botens, was baptized in the Church of Saint Walburga, 17 September 1600. [Bapt. No. 83]. This child, who was destined in his later years to become such a prominent man in the new world, will through this sketch be referred to as Cornelis Melyn, that beingthe accepted Flemish spelling of his given name, and the form in which he always wrote it. Cornelis Melyn was born in Antwerp, in the house called "The Sack" where his parents then lived. This house was situated in the Rue du Sac [Fl.ZakStraat] in or near the Bourg, or castle, of which a short description will be given later. . . .In October, 1606, Cornelis lost his mother, Marie Ghuedinx-Botens, and very soon thereafter on 9 November, 1606 he had the further misfortune to lose his father. Thus at the age of six years, (his age as given in the inventory of his father's estate) he found himself bereaved of both father and mother. In NYGBR 68:3-4, there is translation of his marriage certificate, dated 22 April 1627, which refers to him as "aged 25 years". Burton comments: "It will be noted that the age is given as "25 years", whereas on the basis of his baptismal date of 17 September 1600, he was at least 26 years and 7 months old at the time of the issuance of this certificate. It is quite probably tht, since 25 years was according the Dutch law the age at which a man attained his full majority, the clerk was merely indicating that Melyn was of legal age to marry without the consent of his guardians. That Melyn knew his correct age is evident from a declaration signed by him 29 June 1644, in which he gives his age as 44 years." See NYGBR Vols. 67 & 68 for Articles on this remarkable "Patroon of Staten Island and Some of his Descendants". Sources: NYGBR 67:157/246; 68:3/132/217 (1936/7) East Hampton History p. 535 The series of Articles in NYGBR are by Paul Gibson Burton and discuss both the Ancestry and Descendants of Cornelis Melyn. These are reprinted in a volume called THE WINANS FAMILY, Ancestors and Descendants of Clarence Hatfield Winans 1854-1942 of Linden, New Jersey, by Melda B. Haynes Shippey, Madison, N.J., Certified Genealogist, a copy of which may be found in Special Collections, Rutgers University Library, New Brunswick, NJ CS 71 .W56 1990. That book contains excellent sections on the Hatfield as well as Winans and Melyn families, and also has Bibliography to allied families. 11. Jannetje ADRYIAENS b. circa 1604. Her name has also been rendered Jannetje (Jannetie) Van Myert, perhaps using her geographical location. Their marriage certificate, translated and set forth in NYGBR 68:3, as follows: "Appeared as before Cornelis Melyn from Antwerp, aged 25 years, having no parents, leather dresser, living in the Elant Street, assisted by Geraert Lodewijsz [and] Jannetie Arienss from Myert, aged 23 years, having no parents, living on the Lindegracht, assisted by Engel Thomas." -- after certifications, it was signed Cornelis Melijn and Jannitken Adryiaens. It was dated 22nd of April 1627. Great Great Grand Parents 20. Andre MELYN b. Belgium, Occ. Carpenter - lumber dealer, m. (1) 29 Jul 1576, in Antwerp, Belgium, Jeanne van Westvoort, b. Belgium, d. ca Oct 1596, Belgium, m. (2) Nov 1597, in Belgium, Marie GHUEDINX-BOTENS, d. Oct 1606, Belgium. Andre died 9 Nov 1606, Belgium. NYGBR 67:246 (1936) "The Antwerp Ancestry of Cornelis Melyn", Paul G. Burton. First marries in Parish of Saint Andrew, Antwerp, to Jeanne Van Westvoort, the daughter of Eustache van Westvoort and Jeanne van Callen. His first wife being deceased a little after October, 1596, probably in childbirth, Andre Melyn married his second wife, Marie Ghuedinx Alias Botens. This marriage was celebrated in the Parish of Saint Walburga in November, 1597. The exact date is not given in the marriage entry. 21. Marie GHUEDINX-BOTENS d. Oct 1606, Belgium. NYGBR 67:246 (1936) "The Antwerp Ancestry of Cornelis Melyn", Paul G. Burton. She is sometimes referred to in the baptismal records as "Marie Ghuedinx" and at other time as "Marie Botens" but both refer to the same person, whose name is "Ghuedinx alias Botens." 3rd Great Grand Parents 40. Lambert MELYN. NYGBR 67:246 (1936) "The Antwerp Ancestry of Cornelis Melyn", Paul G. Burton. 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